Algemeen Escort Agencies

Royal_male · 30 sep 2022

Peters zei:
It is of course always a gamble, nut this sounds like your date did not go well, and was not properly prepared by scoiety service. Now I don't know what exactly was said but not thanking for a present is indeed very rude.
Have you also spoken to the escort agency?
Are you aware that you can also refuse a lady and ask for another lady in the first 10 minutes?
Quite honestly I avoid society service, too big an agency with too commercial an attitude.

there is also pink sheets, they operate a different model most of their ladies are part time, not sure if peters has any experience with them too.

Voormalig lid 479 · 30 sep 2022

I am very pleased with the service provided by pinksheets.

Ethereum · 1 okt 2022

Peters zei:
It is of course always a gamble, but this sounds like your date did not go well, and was not properly prepared by scoiety service. Now I don't know what exactly was said but not thanking for a present is indeed very rude.
Have you also spoken to the escort agency?
Are you aware that you can also refuse a lady and ask for another lady in the first 10 minutes?
Quite honestly I avoid society service, too big an agency with too commercial an attitude.

Hoi Peter,

Heb jij weleens een boeking geannuleerd bij een High class escort bureau? Belt de dame dan het bureau op en krijg je dan alles vergoed of wordt er iemand anders gestuurd? Moet je het goed beargumenteren?

Zelf ook 2x gebruik gemaakt van een bureau en was in beide gevallen na 5 seconden duidelijk dat er 0 chemie was, terwijl de foto's en profiel info grotendeels klopte.

Voormalig lid 16695 · 1 okt 2022

Franky zei:
I am not impressed with Society Service. First of all, the wishes and preferences were not passed through to the escort, which was annoying. Secondly, when I openend the door the escort looked 5 to 10 kilo's heavier than her pictures. And she looked end twenties, instead of beginning twenties, which was on the website. I gave a her a small present. Instead of a thank you, she gave me a nasty remark. After explaining my wishes, she refused to give me a massage. The sex was okay, but not more than that. I guess, you win some and loose some.

Sorry Franky but in all honesty I'm having a difficult time with your review, seeing that it does not at all match my experiences with this agency. It also appears as if this review has been reposted on several other websites, with just a small change here and there. If your review is genuine; sorry to hear about that but as said, it does not match my experiences. They have been top notch so far. I have only been pleasantly surprised with my choice of escort and never disappointed. Having tried several agencies in The Netherlands and other places in the world, they remain my favorite go to agency, with reason.

pornflakes · 1 okt 2022

Please add reviews in separate topics for any experience if you're up to it / Plaats reviews in aparte topics voor alle ervaringen ajb. Je helpt ons ermee

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Voormalig lid 479 · 1 okt 2022

Ethereum zei:
Hoi Peter,

Heb jij weleens een boeking geannuleerd bij een High class escort bureau? Belt de dame dan het bureau op en krijg je dan alles vergoed of wordt er iemand anders gestuurd? Moet je het goed beargumenteren?

Zelf ook 2x gebruik gemaakt van een bureau en was in beide gevallen na 5 seconden duidelijk dat er 0 chemie was, terwijl de foto's en profiel info grotendeels klopte.

Ik heb het tot nu 2x gedaan. Direct aangegeven dat het hem niet ging worden, de dame belde met het bureau, en aan mij werd de vraag gesteld of ik een andere dame wilde of niet. In 1 geval na overleg besloten het alsnog een kans te geven, viel uiteindelijk niet tegen. In het andere geval mijn geld minus een redelijke vergoeding voor de tijd welke de dame besteed had terug gekregen.

Ethereum · 1 okt 2022

Peters zei:
Ik heb het tot nu 2x gedaan. Direct aangegeven dat het hem niet ging worden, de dame belde met het bureau, en aan mij werd de vraag gesteld of ik een andere dame wilde of niet. In 1 geval na overleg besloten het alsnog een kans te geven, viel uiteindelijk niet tegen. In het andere geval mijn geld minus een redelijke vergoeding voor de dame tijd welke de dame besteed had terug gekregen.

Duidelijk verhaal, dank! Mag ik ook vragen wat de reden van annuleren was?

Voormalig lid 479 · 1 okt 2022

Ethereum zei:
Duidelijk verhaal, dank! Mag ik ook vragen wat de reden van annuleren was?

Dat mag, de keer dat ik alsnog heb doorgezet bleek een dame te zijn welke haar 1ste date had met mij (ik was hier niet van op de hoogte) en ze trilden als een rietje toen ze binnenkwam.
De keer dat ik de annulering heb doorgezet was met dame van 21 jaar als toen 47 jaar oude man voelde dat absoluut niet goed. Ik had haar vader kunnen zijn en dat gevoel vloog mij direct aan.

Voormalig lid 16695 · 1 okt 2022

Sorry guys, my Dutch language skills are rather limited so I hope you don't mind me replying in English. I've used services all over the world and when booking with agencies, Dutch agencies to me are the Mecca of escortservices. I don't want to get into politics but I guess the whole it being legal thing does pay off. I have my personal favorites in terms of agency as expressed before but even with other agencies, none have been a major disappointment. All the escorts in question met my expections appearance wise. Some I connected better with than others and that made all the difference. Abroad I've had some experiences with escorts who were very different from their online profile. It's a pity, she's not to blame, the agency is and I try to keep that in mind. I just told her she was not the type I was looking to meet, not to take it personal and what was required to provide her with a hassle free exit. That usually costed me 50 to 200 euro's but that's well worth it over causing a scene at the hotel. Independents I have found to be more reliable abroad. It's their name on the line after all.

Anyway, when replying for the first time I wasn't aware I'ld be receiving updates on anything within the same thread and I'll be subscribing now so this will most likely be the last post from me. Wishing y'all a good time!

Royal_male · 2 okt 2022

CVS_travelfun zei:
Sorry guys, my Dutch language skills are rather limited so I hope you don't mind me replying in English. I've used services all over the world and when booking with agencies, Dutch agencies to me are the Mecca of escortservices. I don't want to get into politics but I guess the whole it being legal thing does pay off. I have my personal favorites in terms of agency as expressed before but even with other agencies, none have been a major disappointment. All the escorts in question met my expections appearance wise. Some I connected better with than others and that made all the difference. Abroad I've had some experiences with escorts who were very different from their online profile. It's a pity, she's not to blame, the agency is and I try to keep that in mind. I just told her she was not the type I was looking to meet, not to take it personal and what was required to provide her with a hassle free exit. That usually costed me 50 to 200 euro's but that's well worth it over causing a scene at the hotel. Independents I have found to be more reliable abroad. It's their name on the line after all.

Anyway, when replying for the first time I wasn't aware I'ld be receiving updates on anything within the same thread and I'll be subscribing now so this will most likely be the last post from me. Wishing y'all a good time!

care to comment a bit more on which agencies would you rate on the top? maybe a ranking and some of your notes would be helpful.

JulioIglesias · 4 okt 2022

Deckx zei:
I may not be Franky, but my definition of a Bondgirl currently is Ana de Armas. Can your society service arrange that for me? Thanks in advance.

Ooh, Ana de Armas, yeah she's something. Definitely my favorite Bondgirl. You ask me If my society service can arrange that? haha Well, it's not mine, I wish ;-). Recently I had a great experience with Charlie. Naughty as hell and with the same mysterious look in her eye like Ana de armas.

johnjohn · 5 okt 2022

JulioIglesias zei:
Ooh, Ana de Armas, yeah she's something. Definitely my favorite Bondgirl. You ask me If my society service can arrange that? haha Well, it's not mine, I wish ;-). Recently I had a great experience with Charlie. Naughty as hell and with the same mysterious look in her eye like Ana de armas.

Bondgirls and hookers! By far my favorite subjects. Ana de Armas is just wow, but guys, what do you think about Léa Seydoux? Isn't she unbelievable? Have you seen her in that movie about the two lesbian girls, La vie d'Adèle. There where some good scenes in it. Anyway, a while ago I had a booking with Nina from Society Service, now that's what I call a Bondgirl. Smart as a whip, big tits, round ass and horny as a motherfucker.

Deckx · 5 okt 2022

Are we getting a whole society here that is in service of the society service?

JulioIglesias · 5 okt 2022

Deckx zei:
Are we getting a whole society here that is in service of the society service?

You'd almost think so haha. Nah, I read on the website that fake reviews are circulating to damage the company. I am a satisfied client and I felt the need to defend the company.

Deckx · 5 okt 2022

Here we usually think that when a new member walks like a duck and talks like a duck, it must indeed be a wc-eend.

JulioIglesias · 5 okt 2022

Deckx zei:
Here we usually think that when a new member walks like a duck and talks like a duck, it must indeed be a wc-eend.

I understand what you say. But what would you do if people write bad about you just to hurt you. Not because they are sincere. They are premeditated trying to harm the service. I think that's sad. That's why I stick up for them.

Deckx · 5 okt 2022

I think most guys here look at individual ladies and not at agencies, so I would not worry about it. Why not review the ladies instead?

Royal_male · 5 okt 2022

but these so called high end escort serviced dont even do OWO. How can you get bond experience with only OW?

Voormalig lid 16695 · 6 okt 2022

Royal_male zei:
care to comment a bit more on which agencies would you rate on the top? maybe a ranking and some of your notes would be helpful.

Sure. Guess I am still intrigued by this thread and couldn't help myself from checking in. First and foremost, this is just my personal opinion. I fully understand experiences may vary and what may work well for me, may not for another. So here's my personal experiences with some of the agencies that I've tried.

Kay Escorts: My very first "high class" escort experience was actually with this agency, I had previous experiences at massage parlors but didn't found them fully satisfying. At the time they had a Dutch lady working with them who I enjoyed very much. Perhaps it being my first time made the experience so impressive, as many I was a bit prejudiced after all and expected it to be mostly erotic and the intimacy and social thing was mostly marketing, but I must admit I genuinely connected with this lady. She left the agency and became an independent. I met her as an independent again but it wasn't the same. As if she became more of a pro. I didn't feel she was in it as much as was the first time. In fact, I felt she became more distant and rushed the encounter. When booking with the agency, they were friendly and polite, the contact was pleasant although they did end up messing up with some of the organizing aspects, such as not forwarding requests to the escort and her arrival was an hour earlier than scheduled. But nonetheless, positive experience. Did not book with them again as they did not have other escorts that appealed to me in the areas I was staying in at the time.

The courtesan club: I booked with them twice and was satisfied. Correspondence is a bit but friendly and cooperative. First Lady I booked wasn't great, just didn't match that well. Asked them for suggestions and had a chat and they came with an alternative suggestion for my second booking that worked out much better. I was going to book with them a third time but after it took them well over a day to get back to me on my email I contacted an other agency and that worked out well. In short; satisfied with both the (second) escort as well as the agency. The lady I connected best with is no longer with them though wo not worth mentioning her name. In all this is a reliable agency, their pictures are trustworthy and no aspect of the booking process or the booking itself ever disappointed me. The second booking was quit nice, correspondence with the agency pleasant. I am confident anybody will have a good to great experience with them, they are very reliable in every aspect.

Society Service: Contacted them after not hearing back from TCC quickly enough. Got a response right away. Short but to the point, basically telling me if I wanted them to match me I needed to be much more elaborate. I would say the correspondence was very straight forward and quick, rather than warm and friendly. I went through the matchmaking thing and they came back with some suggestions that, I have to admit, all turned out to be flawless. Some adjustments were made after my first bookings and the feedback I provided. All of the ladies I've met matched their profiles but the key for me lies in the connection I make. I don't go out for elaborate dinners, neither do I buy expensive gifts. But I do make an effort to get to know my date and I've had some very memorable and (to me) special encounters. My personal favorites that they still work with are Emma and Daisy. Taylor was recommended as an "add some spice" and was definitely the best experience in terms of sexuality, a welcome change but at the end of the day I'm a GFE guy. They remain my favorite agency not because correspondence is all warm and fuzzy but because their matchmaking and organizational skills are way ahead of their competitors. It would be great if they could be a bit more flexible and have escorts based in other cities but they remain my go-to agency when in the Netherlands. Rates tend to be a bit lower than the average high class agency in The Netherlands.

Vialet: I had a business contact that convinced me should book two ladies from this agency. In all honesty; I didn't have any interaction with the agency so have no clue what the interaction with the agency was like since my contact arranged it. I asked Society Service for a quote and they declined the request cause my contact didn't want to share anything personal and that was a no-go for Society Service. We spend an evening with two very young ladies and it was just not my cup of tea. They were just too young, too obvious, made me feel uncomfortable, strongly suspect they were high on whatever. Our booking was with two girlfriends, a curvy brunette and a tall slim blonde. They said they were related but seriously doubt that since they don't look alike at all. Didn't remember their names exactly (Katia and something) but it was rather recent so I'm pretty sure they are still available. They both offered their contact details so we could book directly with them next time, didn't like that type of attitude.

Aphrodite Agency: Have booked with this agency a few times, not when in The Netherlands but since they cater to The Netherlands I found them worth mentioning. Mixed experienced in terms of escorts, but steady in terms of agency. It's run by a guy named Peter and he takes things serious. You'll be in good hands with the organizational aspects of the booking but the ladies tend to be more professional, glamour girls, luxury type and I like the girl next door just a bit more. So nothing negative about the agency in general, the ladies were equally stunning as their pictures suggested but just not my type. But still book on occasion if I find myself in the area of one of their ladies as they are very reliable. That surprised me a bit, since escorting is not officially legal in Belgium (where the agency is based as I understand) and I had only seen this level of professionalism with Dutch agencies (particular Society Service). Rates are higher for shorter bookings than average but they remain a reliable choice.

Well that was much more than I anticipated of sharing but since I wrote it all down, I might as well share it. It's just my thoughts, others may disagree. I also have some thoughts on the OWO discussion. I guess this may be different if you're not married but I am. Like many people who book escorts. There are health concerns with OWO and although I must admit oral with a condom is far from ideal, I would say having to explain to my wife why she needs to take some antibiotics to get rid of an STD is even more far from ideal. With every agency I've booked with, I've met ladies that offered oral without, at a surcharge or just out of the blue. As tempting as that may be because yes, it is much more pleasurable, I don't want to take that risk. I don't want to explain myself to my wife, I can't deal with the whole STD risk. Again, it's just my opinion but if you're in a monogamous relationship you really shouldn't take risks like that just for a bit of extra pleasure. It's just not worth it.

Voormalig lid 16483 · 7 okt 2022

I wanted to forget my previous booking with an escort ASAP and I just had a great experience with Sarah from Ina Divina. It was my first booking with the agency. Their portfolio is small, but the quality is great. The owner was an escort herself, which is a big plus for me. She knows what customers want and really wants to give them a good time. Service was super. Good chance she will be my candy of the month more often.

Royal_male · 7 okt 2022

CVS_travelfun zei:
Sure. Guess I am still intrigued by this thread and couldn't help myself from checking in. First and foremost, this is just my personal opinion. I fully understand experiences may vary and what may work well for me, may not for another. So here's my personal experiences with some of the agencies that I've tried.

Kay Escorts: My very first "high class" escort experience was actually with this agency, I had previous experiences at massage parlors but didn't found them fully satisfying. At the time they had a Dutch lady working with them who I enjoyed very much. Perhaps it being my first time made the experience so impressive, as many I was a bit prejudiced after all and expected it to be mostly erotic and the intimacy and social thing was mostly marketing, but I must admit I genuinely connected with this lady. She left the agency and became an independent. I met her as an independent again but it wasn't the same. As if she became more of a pro. I didn't feel she was in it as much as was the first time. In fact, I felt she became more distant and rushed the encounter. When booking with the agency, they were friendly and polite, the contact was pleasant although they did end up messing up with some of the organizing aspects, such as not forwarding requests to the escort and her arrival was an hour earlier than scheduled. But nonetheless, positive experience. Did not book with them again as they did not have other escorts that appealed to me in the areas I was staying in at the time.

The courtesan club: I booked with them twice and was satisfied. Correspondence is a bit but friendly and cooperative. First Lady I booked wasn't great, just didn't match that well. Asked them for suggestions and had a chat and they came with an alternative suggestion for my second booking that worked out much better. I was going to book with them a third time but after it took them well over a day to get back to me on my email I contacted an other agency and that worked out well. In short; satisfied with both the (second) escort as well as the agency. The lady I connected best with is no longer with them though wo not worth mentioning her name. In all this is a reliable agency, their pictures are trustworthy and no aspect of the booking process or the booking itself ever disappointed me. The second booking was quit nice, correspondence with the agency pleasant. I am confident anybody will have a good to great experience with them, they are very reliable in every aspect.

Society Service: Contacted them after not hearing back from TCC quickly enough. Got a response right away. Short but to the point, basically telling me if I wanted them to match me I needed to be much more elaborate. I would say the correspondence was very straight forward and quick, rather than warm and friendly. I went through the matchmaking thing and they came back with some suggestions that, I have to admit, all turned out to be flawless. Some adjustments were made after my first bookings and the feedback I provided. All of the ladies I've met matched their profiles but the key for me lies in the connection I make. I don't go out for elaborate dinners, neither do I buy expensive gifts. But I do make an effort to get to know my date and I've had some very memorable and (to me) special encounters. My personal favorites that they still work with are Emma and Daisy. Taylor was recommended as an "add some spice" and was definitely the best experience in terms of sexuality, a welcome change but at the end of the day I'm a GFE guy. They remain my favorite agency not because correspondence is all warm and fuzzy but because their matchmaking and organizational skills are way ahead of their competitors. It would be great if they could be a bit more flexible and have escorts based in other cities but they remain my go-to agency when in the Netherlands. Rates tend to be a bit lower than the average high class agency in The Netherlands.

Vialet: I had a business contact that convinced me should book two ladies from this agency. In all honesty; I didn't have any interaction with the agency so have no clue what the interaction with the agency was like since my contact arranged it. I asked Society Service for a quote and they declined the request cause my contact didn't want to share anything personal and that was a no-go for Society Service. We spend an evening with two very young ladies and it was just not my cup of tea. They were just too young, too obvious, made me feel uncomfortable, strongly suspect they were high on whatever. Our booking was with two girlfriends, a curvy brunette and a tall slim blonde. They said they were related but seriously doubt that since they don't look alike at all. Didn't remember their names exactly (Katia and something) but it was rather recent so I'm pretty sure they are still available. They both offered their contact details so we could book directly with them next time, didn't like that type of attitude.

Aphrodite Agency: Have booked with this agency a few times, not when in The Netherlands but since they cater to The Netherlands I found them worth mentioning. Mixed experienced in terms of escorts, but steady in terms of agency. It's run by a guy named Peter and he takes things serious. You'll be in good hands with the organizational aspects of the booking but the ladies tend to be more professional, glamour girls, luxury type and I like the girl next door just a bit more. So nothing negative about the agency in general, the ladies were equally stunning as their pictures suggested but just not my type. But still book on occasion if I find myself in the area of one of their ladies as they are very reliable. That surprised me a bit, since escorting is not officially legal in Belgium (where the agency is based as I understand) and I had only seen this level of professionalism with Dutch agencies (particular Society Service). Rates are higher for shorter bookings than average but they remain a reliable choice.

Well that was much more than I anticipated of sharing but since I wrote it all down, I might as well share it. It's just my thoughts, others may disagree. I also have some thoughts on the OWO discussion. I guess this may be different if you're not married but I am. Like many people who book escorts. There are health concerns with OWO and although I must admit oral with a condom is far from ideal, I would say having to explain to my wife why she needs to take some antibiotics to get rid of an STD is even more far from ideal. With every agency I've booked with, I've met ladies that offered oral without, at a surcharge or just out of the blue. As tempting as that may be because yes, it is much more pleasurable, I don't want to take that risk. I don't want to explain myself to my wife, I can't deal with the whole STD risk. Again, it's just my opinion but if you're in a monogamous relationship you really shouldn't take risks like that just for a bit of extra pleasure. It's just not worth it.

THanks a lot for your detailed feedback.

Voormalig lid 16695 · 8 okt 2022

Franky zei:
I wanted to forget my previous booking with an escort ASAP and I just had a great experience with Sarah from Ina Divida. It was my first booking with the agency. Their portfolio is small, but the quality is great. The owner was an escort herself, which is a big plus for me. She knows what customers want and really wants to give them a good time. Service was super. Good chance she will be my candy of the month more often.

Perhaps I'm being naive but I was under the assumption most escort managers were previous escorts... One would not not wake up one day and say: Hey let's start an escortservice. Right? It doesn't matter that much to me though. Just thinking 'out loud' here... the upside to me would be that one would be more inclined to understand needs of customers. But on the other hand, one without experience in the industry would treat it as any other business and may be more professional. I'm not trying to be judgmental or prejudicial but those are my first thoughts.

- Oh. And still receiving those notifications so still following this thread. I must admit, I find it rather intriguing discussing this with kindred spirits. I never get to discuss this with anybody and that makes me wonder: Do you disclose booking escorts with anybody? Is this something you share amongst friends? I was just wondering how open you are about booking escorts.

Voormalig lid 479 · 8 okt 2022

CVS_travelfun zei:
Perhaps I'm being naive but I was under the assumption most escort managers were previous escorts... One would not not wake up one day and say: Hey let's start an escortservice. Right? It doesn't matter that much to me though. Just thinking 'out loud' here... the upside to me would be that one would be more inclined to understand needs of customers. But on the other hand, one without experience in the industry would treat it as any other business and may be more professional. I'm not trying to be judgmental or prejudicial but those are my first thoughts.

Society Service
Vialet
Courtesan Club
Upclass international
Khloe Consultancy
Secret Agents
All owned managed by people with no expeience as an escort.

Royal_male · 8 okt 2022

CVS_travelfun zei:
Perhaps I'm being naive but I was under the assumption most escort managers were previous escorts... One would not not wake up one day and say: Hey let's start an escortservice. Right? It doesn't matter that much to me though. Just thinking 'out loud' here... the upside to me would be that one would be more inclined to understand needs of customers. But on the other hand, one without experience in the industry would treat it as any other business and may be more professional. I'm not trying to be judgmental or prejudicial but those are my first thoughts.

- Oh. And still receiving those notifications so still following this thread. I must admit, I find it rather intriguing discussing this with kindred spirits. I never get to discuss this with anybody and that makes me wonder: Do you disclose booking escorts with anybody? Is this something you share amongst friends? I was just wondering how open you are about booking escorts.

that is the whole point of this thread. So from your opinion and maybe experience, the girls attitude much more important that the agency.

Royal_male · 8 okt 2022

Peters zei:
Society Service
Vialet
Courtesan Club
Upclass international
Khloe Consultancy
Secret Agents
All owned managed by people with no expeience as an escort.

Upclass is van een ex escort, Milous begreep ik. Ik zag het ergens dat hetlzefde verhaal met SS was.

Voormalig lid 479 · 8 okt 2022

Royal_male zei:
Upclass is van een ex escort, Milous begreep ik. Ik zag het ergens dat hetlzefde verhaal met SS was.

Voor wat betreft Upclass zal ik het bij gelegenheid is aan Mijanou vragen, kan het me namelijk bijna niet voor stellen, maar soms zit je er gewoon naast.

Royal_male · 9 okt 2022

Peters zei:
Voor wat betreft Upclass zal ik het bij gelegenheid is aan Mijanou vragen, kan het me namelijk bijna niet voor stellen, maar soms zit je er gewoon naast.

dat kan wel, maar ik zag het hier precies.

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Upclass International is great. It is run by a former escort named Mijanou and she is very helpful in organizing and making suggestions. It's very high end and the girls are beautiful, sexy and make great companions. I am in Amsterdam 4-5 times a year and use Upclass exclusively, especially for longer dates 12-36 hrs. I have been with a bunch of her ladies and all have been superb. Just had a threesome with Ava & June. Can't recommend them enough. Chemistry was amazing. Can't go wrong. Check out their site.

Ethereum · 11 okt 2022

Iemand ervaring met Khloe-consultancy?
Las één behoorlijk dodelijke recensie, maar verder valt er niets over te vinden. Volgens mij bestaan ze ook nog niet zo heel lang?

Tom024 · 11 okt 2022

Ik heb afgelopen vrijdag een bezoek gehad van Julia. Ik zal daar binnenkort een recensie over schrijven maar kan je verzekeren dat het een zeer oprecht en betrouwbaar bureau is.

Voormalig lid 449 · 19 okt 2022

Onlangs geprobeerd via Secret Agents een dame te boeken, maar na eenmalig email contact helaas niets meer van vernomen. Kreeg in eerste instantie netjes bericht, maar na mijn tweede reactie waarbij ik aanvullende info over mezelf heb verstrekt bleef het helaas stil aan de andere kant.
Prima als het geen match met de betreffende dame is, maar koppel dat dan ook gewoon netjes terug.

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